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rab7ies
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Topic: id help pleasePosted: 06 Jun 2011 at 7:52pm |
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this appears to be an echinoid but not one im familiar with...
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down amongst the stones.
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Bill G
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:16pm |
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Nice find, I think it's a sponge, Porosphaera globularis.
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hooken
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:18pm |
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Hi Rab,
Looks like a sponge from the pics- could be an Offaster echinoid but I can't tell. Can you see the ambulacra?
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rab7ies
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:22pm |
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thanks bill..i thought it might be an echinoid as appears to have tubercles under eye glass,but maybe its just where its worn away a bit?(couldnt get closer pic)
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rab7ies
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:23pm |
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thanks hooken..no just what i thought was tubercles.
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Bill G
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:27pm |
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Tubercles or dimples? Here's a P. globularis close-up.
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rab7ies
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:30pm |
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thanks bill ,not dimples...looks quite worn but what seems to be a few tubercles
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Bill G
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:32pm |
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...and one that didn't clean up very well, with little bits that look like tubercles.
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rab7ies
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:37pm |
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thanks bill,it could well be..are these round? as i think you can see in photo one its flatish on one side and humped on the other.
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Bill G
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:44pm |
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Porosphaera sp. vary quite considerably. See here
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rab7ies
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:48pm |
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thanks bill,id just been on that site...i also just visited other sites and realised ive been throwing certain sponges down as thought they were nothing! lol.
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Gary W
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 10:04am |
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You sometimes do find round pebbles contained within a flint, one theory is thet they were gastroliths (stomach stones) of marine reptiles living in the cretaceous sea. Below are two I have found , the second being associated with fish scales (to the left) which gives support to this theory.
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rab7ies
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 1:25pm |
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thanks gary..so thats what those are..as see these flint inclusions quite alot! thanks.
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Gary W
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 1:39pm |
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As I said it is only one possible theory, they equally could be pebbles that existed in cretaceous times that simply became enclosed in flint...but the chalk was laid down in very deep water away from land. So it is reasonable to attribute the pebbles to regurgitated gastroliths. As I commented the one I found with closely associated fish scales gives support to this view. What creature they came from is anyones guess. I don't think fish use stomach stones so it was probably a reptile, perhaps a Mosasaur given the late age.
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rab7ies
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 1:44pm |
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thanks gary..i shall pay more attention to em in the future as dont normally!
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