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Shaolin B 
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 Topic: Croc or Turtle maybe?Posted: 01 Feb 2010 at 11:10pm |
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I found this little piece on the foreshore at Chewton Bunny, near Barton-on-Sea, in Hampshire. The two holes at the pointed end go right through to the back. In the middle section on the rear view is a very smooth arc. I'm thinking croc snout or similar?
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J.Simper
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Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 3:30pm |
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That is certainly what it looks like. A croc snout is a very good find, croc remains is pretty rare from Barton. The Taddiford Gap a few miles to the east tends to turn up more croc stuff (freshwater/brackish deposits as opposed to marine at Barton). A peice of snout like that is rare even there. Nice one!
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Naze Dave
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Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 7:45pm |
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Hi Shaolin
Intresting find, if you get 5 minutes could we have some more, slightly lighter pics please? i wouldnt like to guess just yet. Thanks Dave
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Shaolin B
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Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 8:29pm |
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I have tried to capture a bit more detail for you. I have tried searching at Tadifird Gap, but without much success.
   First picture shows the hole going right through. This is on both the left and the right of the piece.
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Tabfish
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Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 8:48pm |
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That's nice Shaolin, keep looking for the rest of it!
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Tabfish at the Waterside
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Shaolin B
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Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 8:57pm |
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I think I have just disappointed myself when looking at the piece. Could it possibly be the root of a shark tooth worn down in a paculiar way? It would make it a fairly large tooth, butpossible for the area?
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plottie111
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Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 9:01pm |
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No, it doesn't look like this to me but then i am no expert it does look like you thought originally either croc or turtle.
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Bill G
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Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 9:35pm |
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Definitely NOT shark-tooth root.
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fusilier21
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Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 4:34pm |
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If it didn't have the holes( worm borings?), it would have the same shape as the bottom of a Nipa husk. That's what I would think if I found it on Sheppey. But I'm not sure about it, it does look a bit bony.
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prep01
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Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 5:10pm |
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what are it's dimensions please? It does look bony doesn't it and of course there is a 'crocodile bed' in the Headon Hill formation (15m from top of section - see Wests Geology)
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Naze Dave
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Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 6:46pm |
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I'm certain its bone, but not sure what its from, personally i dont think its snout, i dont mean to take the mick but could we have some more pics from other angles, it really is an interesting piece.
Thanks Dave
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Shaolin B
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Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 8:21pm |
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Thanks for your responses. I will work on some dimensions and more detailed photos for you now.
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Naze Dave
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Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 8:33pm |
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Thanks Shaolin, you've got me compelled to id this now lol.
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Shaolin B
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Ok, dimensions: 26mm wide, 26mm tip to back edge, curved slot in back about 3mm deep, holes are 2mm diameter.
I have taken a photo of the piece next to a part of a shark tooth root as they are similar. I have even cut a section of tooth root in half eralier to see if there were any holes running through it (thinking of nerves etc). No was the answer.
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J.Simper
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Posted: 05 Feb 2010 at 5:27pm |
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I must admit I may have changed my mind on this. Given the direction of longshore drift along that section I think it is very unlikley that it is from the Headon Hill formation. It could be a rolled peice of turtle bone? A difficult one indeed. I'm going on Sunday, I'll see if I can find the rest of it!
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Mud glorious mud.
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Naze Dave
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Posted: 05 Feb 2010 at 8:16pm |
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I'm still not entirely sure on this, the only poss guess i would take would be a partial turtle vertebra, one of the vertebrae from under the shell, however im still far from sure.
Thanks Dave
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Tabfish
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Posted: 05 Feb 2010 at 8:30pm |
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Hello Shaolin
I have a fossil croc snout that I acquired many years ago from someone, I recon that if your peice was a little bigger then it would fit perfectly - give or take.
The holes on your peice seem to correspond with the ones on my specimen but I do not know what the grove in the middle of yours is or what it's use was.
 I have not go hold of ET by the neck
 although it looks like it!Tabfish
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plottie111
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Posted: 05 Feb 2010 at 8:32pm |
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Lovely fossil tabfish. Truely amazing
Please put ET down lol!
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prep01
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Posted: 05 Feb 2010 at 8:56pm |
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You do know about Royal Institution for Extra Terrestriels (RIETs) or if you change the letters round RITES !!!!!!
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