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Richard
Well done Mr P. 

It must be satisfying to know that your find has contributed to scientific knowledge and will be seen by experts in hundreds of years time. 
Richard
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fossily99


Hello,



I'm rather optimistic about a find I have just made. I discovered it yesterday
and it is a Flatstone matrix from Charmouth. I was carefully
studying one rock, which has a very tiny Ammonite on, not sure about species.
When suddenly I noticed this little wing like object on the rock! Iƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â€ž¢ve been
staring at this object solidly for the past hour ƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â‚¬Å“ trying to figure out what it
is! I am hopeful that it is an Insect Wing of some sort, but of course, these
are extremely rare.



I am now presented with a problem, the item is very small,
and my camera isnƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â€ž¢t quite decent enough to take photos, Iƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â€ž¢ve had an attempt,
but the results were far from impressive. I know this a little bit of a
ridiculous post to make, because there are no photos, but can anybody suggest
some resources for further identification, and perhaps a way to take a decent
photo? I will try taking some decent photos tonight, but with my camera it is
quite difficult to take a photo of an object less than 3MM.



Kind Regards,



Joe




"The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing." - Socrates
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fossily99


As luck would have it I managed to get my USB Microscope
into action, and it took some fairly decent photos. If any of you have a copy
of Fossils from the Lower Lias of the Dorset Coast, then please have a look at
some of the plates of the insects, they do bare a remarkable resemblance in
texture, not necessarily size and shape though. The object is about 2MM in length,
and maybe 1.5MM in width. I know these photos arenƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â€ž¢t the best, but they arenƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â€ž¢t
bad considering, and do show the wing look of the object. Any help received on
the regarding would be greatly appreciated.


Insect1.jpg 

(Object, with small Ammonite in photo.)


Insect2.jpg 

(The object, wing?)


Regards,

Joe



"The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing." - Socrates
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spider
Hi Joe, it looks like a beetle wing case possibly. Take a look at this thread for some similar material.
Have a nice day :0)
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dinogary
wow great find.. those must be very rare??
Growing old is compulsory, Growing up is optional!
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TqB
Hi Joe,
 

I agree with Spider, beetle was my first thought too, very well done!

 

This paper is good if you can get hold of it although I'm sure there are more recent pics around:

Zeuner, F.E. 1962. Fossil insects from the Lower Lias of Charmouth, Dorset. Bulletin of the British Museum, Natural History (Geology), 7 (5), 153-171

 

Edit - silly me, as you say, there are some in the GuideEmbarrassed.
Edited by TqB 2011-05-19 19:42:21
Tarquin
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fossily99


Thank You Spider, Tarquin, and Gary,



Gary, to answer your question simply, they're rare! I have done a little
research, and any insect remain from Charmouth is a rare find; here is a little
extract from the Lias guide.



"The insect horizons are often laterally variable, for instance insects
are in the Flatstones at Stonebarrow, however they are very rare in the
Flatstones at Black Ven" ƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â‚¬Å“ and where did I find it, to make the find even
more fantastic, Black Ven!!



After a little research it appears the nomenclature of the
Lias Insects is rather lacking. There are only 8 species recorded, in
particular, Archaeolepis mane fits the photo quite nicely. It is a moth wing,
and there has only ever been one recorded specimen of this fossil, that was a partial
containing two wings with scales. The only recorded specimen was found at Black
Ven as well, could it be this (Moth Wing), or perhaps a beetle wing as
previously suggested?



What would you suggest I should do with this find; obviously
it is rare, but how rare? Looking on the Charmouth Heritage Centre website it
is a Category two find, which should be reported, I will of course report it.
Would it be worth contacting anybody else as well though, NHM?



Regards,



Joe



"The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing." - Socrates
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dinogary
maybe nhm  could help you shed some light on it??
its a fantastic find, my hat is off to you sir Thumbs Up
Growing old is compulsory, Growing up is optional!
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prep01
someone on the forum found an insect wing a couple of years ago, but I can't remember who - I think they sent it to the NHM and it came back as a new species or something!

Colin Huller
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Bill G
That was Andrew, (AMARSH), Dragonfly from Durlston, see here
Cheers, Bill
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FossilFanatic
Didnt Mr Polly also find a new species insect wing from Charmouth?
Let their be fossils!
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fossily99
Thanks for the links, that's a nice Dragonfly Wing Andrew found. Charlie, Mrpolly did find an insect wing, but not only was it a new species, a new family I believe! Any ideas with regard to specific identification?

Joe

"The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing." - Socrates
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FossilFanatic
Oh wow that must have been a nice find to make!!
Let their be fossils!
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Karsten
Hello,
 

I needed a time, but I took a picture ofe one of mine wings of the Flatstones, similar to your one. After "Fossils from the Lower Lias ofthe Dorset Coast" it is a Beetle elytron, Holocoptera giebeli (Handlirsch), about 1 cm.

Fluegel1.jpg 

 

I also post another insect of a Flatstone, found in the 90th last century, probably anyone could helb in ID or give me a name of somebody (NHM?), about 2 cm.

Kaefer.jpg 

 

 
Best greetings from Germany, Karsten
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Bill G
Nice finds Karsten. You could try Dr Ed Jarzembowski, Keeper of Natural History, Maidstone Museum. here . He is an insect specialist. You may have to wait a while for a reply as he is temporarily unavailable for enquiries. If you keep checking though, you will see when he is available.
Cheers, Bill
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MrPolly

Sure did!  It is now thought to possibly be a new family of insects! See below:

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/community/identification/blog/2010/09/20/id-service-fossil-donations?fromGateway=true

Nice find, by the way Joe!
I took mine to the NHM, the down side was they wanted to keep it. But given that it's new to science, I figured that was fair enough.



Edited by MrPolly 2011-06-04 16:39:23
Cheers,

Mr P.
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