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fossily99
Nice bone finds Bow! I have a couple of pieces from Lavernock that i'm trying to identify, namely the ammonites. Does anybody know what the most common species of Ammonite from Lavernock is? They are preserved in calcite, but frequently incomplete or blown calcite.

Regards,

Joe

"The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing." - Socrates
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Welsh Wizard
Hi
 



I picked this up at Lavernock on Thursday 21st April. It was buried in the sand on a small island that forms at low tide.

 

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I thought it was a bit of plesiosaur rib and you can just see the small bit of bone sticking out below the 2p.

 

In the process of finding it, I managed to fall in the sea. The tide had started coming back in before I could wade back across the small channel and I felt pretty foolish, especially as my son thought it was hilarious and there was someone else there with a UKGE badge on.

 

But now I dead chuffed as I've done a bit of exploratory prep and it turns out it's a line of 8 verts plus two broken ones at either end and some still have neurals attached. Although it must have been a pretty small ichthyosaur as vert diameters are approximately the size of a 1p.

 

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Photo isn't too good but I'll repost when it's finished.

 

Nick





"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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mudbug2
Nick
Keep them coming, nice clear pictures, Looks like we should all have a look at Lavernock...

Regards to all who share the passion Mudbug..
S.H.T-N
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Bow1980
That looks like a great find, i've never found any articulated stuff like that before! looking forward to the other pics when its done.
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Bow1980
fossily99 wrote:
Nice bone finds Bow! I have a couple of pieces from Lavernock that i'm trying to identify, namely the ammonites. Does anybody know what the most common species of Ammonite from Lavernock is? They are preserved in calcite, but frequently incomplete or blown calcite.

Regards,

Joe


Sorry Joe, I can't help I know absolutely nothing about ammonites. Embarrassed


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fossily99
Superb Find Nick, very jealous! Not to worry Bow, but thanks anyway. After a little research I managed to find out a little bit of information, that may be of use for some people. It appears that the most common Ammonite from Lavernock is infact the species of Psiloceras planorbis - didn't they know they could be found there! Source: Here. It also appears that there is another unknown species of ammonite to be found, more research to be done on my part now!

Cheers,

Joe




"The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing." - Socrates
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Welsh Wizard
Hi Joe
 

You're right in that one of the ammonites found at Lavernock/St Marys Well are indeed Psiloceras Planorbis. The other one is Caloceras Johnstoni.

 

The Caloceras Johnstoni are the same species as the irridescent colored ones from Somerset that you see for sale on ebay. Unfortunately, the ones from South Wales are no way near as pretty as the Somerset ones.

 

In fact the ammonites at Lavernock tend to be imprints, impressions or just partial bits. I've tried to prep quite a few over the years and I've never had a good one but someone else may have.

 

You also get nautili (if that's the plural) but again they tend to be poor quality and very difficult, if not impossible to extract successfully. I posted one a while ago which I'm working on prepping but it'll probably just end up being polished once I've removed all the calcite lumps and bumps.

 

There is a good book called "Walking the Rocks" which'll give you some geological detail. It's by Steve Howe (who used to work at the Cardiff Museum and may still do) I think, but I can't find my copy to check.

 

Hope this helps

 

Nick
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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fossily99


Hello Nick,



I suspected that it could possibly be that Caloceras johnstoni, thank you for clarifying
that in fact it is. I'd agree that most of the ammonites there to be found arenƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â€ž¢t
very good quality, but I thought it would be nice to keep a sample of something
slightly different that can be found. I remember that nautilus you posted; it
was very nice, well done.  I'd love to
see the results when youƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â€ž¢ve finished prepping it, if possible. Thanks, Iƒ¢¢â€š¬¢â€ž¢ll try
to get hold of a copy of that book.



Cheers,



Joe



"The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing." - Socrates
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plagistoma
Hi Nick... you did leave it a bit late in wading back over but it looks like it was worth it,it did look like rib when you showed it to me,well found!
 

Joe ...the Planorbis beds are usualy the squashed brown imprints from the beach layers and the Caloceras tend to come from blocks in the cliff  but the centers are usualy squashed flat and impossible to get out,i've only just picked up my second good ammonite from there in 20 years, a small pyrite 1p sized was my first and the new one still buried in matrix at the moment.

 

My haul for the day from penarth and Lavernock was 3 iffy Plagiostoma and 12 fishing weights

 

steve
It's always great to "shoot" your own
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ryanc
plagistoma wrote:

My haul for the day from penarth and Lavernock was 3 iffy Plagiostoma and 12 fishing weights


 

With the rising prices of heavy metals you guys could be quids in Tongue
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rocktapper
Nick,nice tight verts - good findSmile.
 

Steve,i'll have the weights if you dont want em mateTongue

 

Cheers

  Mark
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plagistoma
We do weigh them in after about a year,the lead, copper and brass found on the beach made us ƒâ€š‚£147 last year which helps pay for a couple of trips out Thumbs Up
 

steve
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rocktapper
Steve,you would do well here on the Yorkshire coast,i must lose about 200nr 7oz leads each yearCry.
 

Cheers

  Mark
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Bow1980
ƒâ€š‚£147Thumbs Up I think i'll start picking them up as well lol
 

Went to Lyme last weekend, found nothing as usual, apart from a Hybodus Tooth, But my ribs were ready and didn't cost me a penny as the guys at the Fossil Workshop had taken a year to do them (they even chucked in a free Coprolite)

 

 

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Also Paddy cleaned up a little area on my Ichthy rostrum and some nice teeth came up. I did the rest of the prep.

 

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Bow1980
Couple of todays finds, as found
 

 

Small ichthy vert

27apr2011_4.jpg 

 

Ichthy femur/humerus and a paddle bone

 

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Hidden Plesi Femur?

 

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Some other bits with bone, showing, hopefully more bone to be uncovered.

 

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plagistoma
Hi Bow nice pieces,2nd pic from bottom..those planorbis beds can be a pain to prep ,hope you get lucky and get a soft piece.
 

steve
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Bow1980
Steve, the Planorbis bed with the Ammonites was really soft, but the bone just turned out to be scrap.
 

 

Plesi bone came up well tho

 

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plagistoma
Very nice,that looks like a Penarth piece
 

steve
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Bow1980
Yeah the Plesi was from the sea wall at Penarth
 

One item I found a while back was this, confirmed last week as part of a lobster by staff at Cardiff Museum

 

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ThomasM
Well done, are they quite rare from the area?
Thomas

If you don't look, you won't find.
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Naze Dave
Well done, great finds.
Thanks
Dave
Still Life
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Bow1980
ThomasM wrote:
Well done, are they quite rare from the area?



 

The lobster part was the first one that the museum knows about, same goes for the Brittlestar I found a few weeks back.
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Bow1980

Some finds from the Shale


 

Bits of ribs and a Neural Arch

 

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Ichthyosaur Humerus or Femur, would have been lovely had my chisel not gone through it. Thanks to Steve and his Mate, for knocking back a lot of the shale to get free it up for me!!  Also shown is a paddle bone

 

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Lastly, i'm guessing this is Ichthy skull, probably from around the eye socket?

 

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plagistoma

Nice pieces,it didn't come out too bad.


 


steve

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Naze Dave
Lovely stuff, im really rather jealous of you're location lol. That last piece reminds me of fish bone, but you're probably right with it.
Thanks
Dave
Still Life
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Welsh Wizard
Well done Bow, you've got some nice finds there.
 

I was down in South Wales over the weekend, taking the kids to see Wales v Barbarians. I popped to Lavernock on Friday and found a rolled plesiosaur vert with neural arch and half an ichthyosaur vert embedded in bone bed.

 

I also found a land plant and put it down on a rock with my hammer and chiesel and went to look for some other stuff. When I returned I couldn't find either the tools or the fossil. I searched until the tide came in but only managed to find some fishing weights and a pair of binoculars, so if anyone finds a brick hammer and b&q chiesel, please pm me.

 

thanks

 

Nick
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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Bow1980
Nick, would be nice to see your finds, sounds like you were looking towards Penarth if you had bone bed. Where abouts did you leave your hammer? 
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plagistoma
Managed to pick up a couple more pieces of the plesi i'm collecting with another jumble of bones of which i can make out a piece of pelvis, a section of vert ,bits of rib and assorted unidentified bones.Apart from that we found nothing else of note not even a fishing weight.
 

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steve
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Bow1980
Some finds from June, all from ST Marys Well Bay
 

One bone which would make up an Ichthyosaur Rostrum 

 

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Ichthyosaur Verts, Neural arch and coprolites

 

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Remains of a very warn paddle bone, but would have been large for the location

 

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Ichthyosaur Teeth

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This was laying on the sand between st marys and lavernock point

 

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Bow1980
Find of the month for me was this Fish jaw/tooth? from the shale
 

As found

 

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After

 

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ThomasM
That is beautiful, well done.

Thomas

If you don't look, you won't find.
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ryanc
Partial fish palate with the crushing teeth in place - great find!
 

Regards,

 

Ryan
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plagistoma

Great finds love the fish plate.


 


steve

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Bow1980
Another good day down lavernock.
 

A whopper of a shark spine, some nice plesi verts and a large coprolite

 

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Also found the missing Hammer and Chisel, do i get a prize?

 

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Welsh Wizard
Hi Bow

that's them. Certainly deserves a prize in my book.

where abouts did you find them? I was wondering if they'd moved far

Thanks

Nick
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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andy333
That is a stonking fish spine Bow. Nice find!
Andy
Crossing the eyes and dotting the teas.
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Naze Dave
Fab palate, and that shark spine, well.....its not bad
Thanks
Dave
Still Life
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rockhopper
WOWZERS  nice haul!!  is the fin spine Hybodus? and the jaw lepidotes?

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ThomasM
Wow! Spectacular, love the fin spine.
Thomas

If you don't look, you won't find.
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rockhopper

rockhopper wrote:
WOWZERS  nice haul!!  is the fin spine Hybodus? and the jaw lepidotes?



Sorry, its a nemacanthus monilifer spine. And I think lepidotes is the old name, its now sargodon tomicus?  

If I have these id's all wrong, please let me know.  
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Bow1980
Just had the best trip to Lavernock ever.  Found 2 plesi verts, 1 ichthy vert and some plesi bones early on, then on the way back to the car, I spotted a sliver of bone in a fall from the cliff, split the shale and it looks like its a complete Plesiosaur jaw, well chuffed Thumbs Up
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plagistoma

We are going to have to ban you from that beach you are doing too well,well done,we found nothing of any interest after leaving you.Let me know how you get on next week with those bits we told you about.


 


steve

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spider
Bow, very much looking forward to seeing the photo's. Rare stuff.
Have a nice day :0)
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ThomasM
Sounds great, can't wait to see pictures.

Thomas

If you don't look, you won't find.
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Bow1980
Sorry all I have is this one photo taken on my mobile. The fossil has already been packed up and shipped off to get prepped.




 

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Theres some teeth scattered around, one was about 1cm long, the rest are about 0.4cm and are really thin.  If you look closely at the piece with the X on it, there is a crack on it, a small is tooth just lying in front of it.

 

 

Steve, it's back breaking work clearing that area, i did the whole strip from the one set of rocks to the other and found nothing lol.. At least that area is cleared of rocks/pebbles now.

 

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ThomasM
That's spectacular Bow! Looks like it could be fairly complete - can't wait to see it prepped.

Thomas

If you don't look, you won't find.
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spider
Bow, Very nice and well spotted, especially through the sand Thumbs Up
Have a nice day :0)
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Bow1980
Thanks


 

Spider, the sand clearing exercise is to do with something else (which i think i'm gonna give up on), the jaw was found in the middle of a large slab that fell out of the cliff at lavernock point, only the tip of the snout was showing on one edge, the rest was uncovered with a lucky blow with the hammer whilst trying to split the shale down to a decent size block.
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firlands
lovely find bow look forward to seeing it preped.
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Bow1980
Couple more finds from last week.
 

Some Plesi verts

 

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This one is my fav, when it was found i thought i had 2 seperate bones, 1 vert and 1 phalange as only a small bit of the neural arch was showing,  shows that i know nothing lol.

 

 

 

 

 

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Some Ichthy stuff

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Left to right, Bone from Ichthy pelvic region, Ichthy toothx2, fish tooth and pachy tail vert?

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Also found my first articulated Ichthy piece, prep almost done. But heres a shot after trimming

 

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Also found another rounded boulder that has 1 complete and 2 half verts strewn across the top and there are about 20 tiny ribs running through the bolder.
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