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WestcoastRock
Hi all just a quick update about this fish, I have spoken to ken and I will be taking it to show him next week, hopefully he will be prepping it for me but he is unsure from the pics whether it will be able to be prepped any further so im just hoping it can be prepped.
Thanks for the point in the right direction to those who helped.
Regards
Alan
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WestcoastRock
Hi I would like help with the id of this fish please it is a 27 inch nodule and the fish would be about 20-24 inches I think from the caturus species.

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Regards

Alan
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Hamatolenus
What a fantastic find, well done. :-D
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WestcoastRock
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I hope these pics are a little more help.
regards
Alan
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Welsh Wizard
Fantastic.

Are you going to prep it, as it looks like it could all be there.

Thanks for showing

Nick
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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WestcoastRock
Yes Nick I hope to do the prep on it myself after a visit to Ken to purchase one of his pens I'm just very nervous about spoiling what is my best fossil by far.
any help or advice would be very warmly received.
Regards
Alan.
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Welsh Wizard
Sorry Alan, I can't really offer much help.

If the nodules prep in acid then that's what I'd do but I've never tried to prep an Oxford Clay fossil.

Regards

Nick
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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WestcoastRock
Thanks again Nick ive never done any prep with acid but I won't be prepping any further untill I have some very good and clear advice from the people on here that have the experience and knowledge to do the best job possible.

Regards
Alan.
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Welsh Wizard
Alan

Good idea

Here's a link to a dapedium I had done in acid


Regards

Nick
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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WestcoastRock
That sure is a stunning fish Nick and a 1st class piece of prep work. If I can get anywhere near that quality of prep I would be extremely happy.
I have been looking all over the net to try and find the species of this fish but havent been convinced with my findings because of the size of it although the scales do look very similar to the ones in your link.
Thanks again for your input.
Regards
Alan
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TqB
Great find, Alan. Can you see any scales yet? - according to Martill & Hudson that might help confirm your ID.
Tarquin
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Bill G

Cheers, Bill
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WestcoastRock
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Thanks for your post Tarquin and sorry my pics aren't as good as yours but ive took the pic with my phone.
Regards
Alan
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Welsh Wizard
Alan

I hope you don't mind but I've asked Dave Martill if he's any ideas. He wrote the fish section of the Oxford Clay Fossils book.

Regards

Nick
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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WestcoastRock
Not at all Nick any help is more than welcome im just a total novice that has started very late in life but found my second love of my life with this hobby.
Regards
Alan

ps I had to put second love because the wife is sat next to me.
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TqB
Thanks for the scales pic, Alan, let's see what Dave Martill says...
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Tarquin
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WestcoastRock
The scales are from the side of the face but I can see that this Specimen has very few scales on the body and with the underside being untouched may reveal a full set of scales but like I said I'm a total novice so I cant realy say.
Regards
Alan
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Welsh Wizard
Hi Alan

From the photos, Dave thinks it's a Catarus porteri.

I guess that it needs to be fully prepped to know for sure.

Regards

Nick
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, then you're probably right".......Henry Ford
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WestcoastRock
Thanks for your help Nick.ive had a good look on the net but there seem to be very little info on the caturus poteri apart from Dr D Rayner 1948 but I was lost on the first page. Any more advice or help would be greatly received if anybody else on the forum can help. 1 more question. Is this a rare fish that should be done professionally ? I only ask this because of the lack of information that is available.

Regards
Alan
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Fossil hunter
Hi,
Very nice find! I think the specimen would be worth professional preparation especially given a possible complete fish specimen.
Excerpt from 'Fossils of the Oxford Clay',1991,The palaeontological association,edited by David M. Martill and John D.Hudson.

Family CATURIDAE
Elongate fusiform fishes, external bones feebly ornamented. Teeth large
and evenly spaced on dentary, finer and closely spaced on maxilla, small
and densely distributed on inner bones. Well developed gular plate,
prominent branchiostegal rays. Caudal fin deeply forked.
Genus CATURUS
Remarks. Caturus is probably the most common bony fish macro-fossil
encountered in the Oxford Clay.

Caturus porteri Rayner
Description. A caturid in which the depth of the dentary below the most
posterior tooth is one-quarter the length of the dentigerous border.
Teeth of the dentary fine, gently recurved, closely spaced. Gular plate
with prominent centre of ossification, 20 or more branchiostegal rays.
Range. Known from the Lower Oxford Clay of Peterborough and
Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, Calvert, Oxfordshire, Milton Keynes,
Buckinghamshire, and Christian Malford, Wiltshire.

Caturus sp.
Description. A second species of Caturus is indicated by the presence of a
caturid-like dentary in which the depth of the dentary at the posterior
tooth is one-quarter the length of the dentigerous border as in C. porteri,
but where the teeth are evenly spaced, large, robust, slightly recurved
lingually, and with expanded roots.
Range. Only reported from the Oxford Clay of Whittlesey,
Cambridgeshire (Martill, 1985).

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WestcoastRock
Thanks for your reply fossil hunter very interesting and more help than anything I have found myself on the net. Now I can assure everyone that I will do no more on this and have it prepared professionally to retain its full beauty. and will post some more pics over the coming months providing I can find someone to do it.
Regards
Alan
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WestcoastRock
After going through this page I would like to point out that I personally didn't find this nodule but purchased it just before Christmas from one of the bigger auction sites.i wanted something nice instead of the usual ammonites and normal run of the mill stuff that I normally find. being a fisherman for the last 40years it was something that I liked as soon as I saw it. I have been waiting for the previous owner to email me all the information about location of find and so on but he has yet to reply or return my msgs but when he sends the relevant information I intend to take it to be recorded at the museum. I would also like to point out that I strictly follow all the fossil collecting rules on any site I visit as should all responsible collector's. Many thanks again for looking and I will update this page when I've had it professionally prepared.

Regards
Alan.
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Jason


You won't go wrong asking KM to prep it.

Not many better fish preppers in the U.K


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WestcoastRock
Thanks Jason I will be speaking to Ken tomorrow when I have a bit of spare time at a more reasonable hour and hopefully taking it down to him at the back end of next week if he agrees to do it for me.
Regards

Alan.
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