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aurelius
I will try to find and photograph them, though it may take a little while - we've just moved house, and we have boxes and boxes of material to sort and prep!

I found one recently that struck me as unusual, but I can't remember why... I will go box-diving over the next couple of days and try to dig it out.
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deltapodus
Thanks again to those who supplied me with tide times and info about the car park.
Sadly, I didn't find any bone - last time there, two years ago, I found an ichthy paddle bone. I found a fair few ammonites, belemnites - definitely found the belemnite marls (I'm trying these days to understand the stratigraphy as well as find the fossils), fossil wood. A lot of the things I saw were very delicate, so I left them, figuring there was no point in destroying them in attempting to collect them. Indeed, one crinoid stem broke simply as I pointed it out to my companion! Anyway, a few pics. This 1st one is from Charmouth - I actually picked it up in the car park next to the heritage centre. Not the best, but I was intrigued to find ammo sutures in the car park.
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The nodules ready for prepping - just need to buy myself an air pen now (in the next 2 weeks, I hope). 
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One of the bits that I thought was too fragile.
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This next one shows part and counter part on the beach. I found the loose part first, then cast around for its parent block. I brought the loose part home, but the parent block was too big and it looked as if trying to extract it would destroy it.
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Close up now - am I right in thinking this is ammonite shell showing a colour pattern?
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An added bonus? Same find, but out of shot on the one above - is that a fragment of aptychus?
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Last one - cream and crimson this time - it's only about 3 cm by 2 cm. Original colours, I guess, but is it ammonite or nautilus?
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If the two finds showing colour patterns are original, then I'm very pleased with those finds. Didn't get bone, but... colour? That's a first for me.
Finally found bone[biggrin]
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aurelius
Nice finds! Your first piece of shell with colour is a belemnite phragmocone. Not sure what the last one is, I can't quite make out the photo.

The beds where your fragile piece came from are quite interesting. The ammonites often have a rusted appearance to them, and aren't attractive. But if you wrap the blocks in bubble wrap and take them home, you can very (very) gently clean any large bits of clay off the ammonite(s) with dental picks, and then apply gloss artist's varnish to the ammonite, being careful not to go over the lines! This makes the ammonite stand off the matrix as jet black instead of that unpleasant rusty colour. They can look dreadful when you collect them, but look beautiful with a bit of varnish (and the varnish doesn't make them too glossy either).

I had a few lucky finds in some fallen blocks of that clay a few weeks ago, including a large nautilus and several very nice ammonites.

Let us know how you get on with the nodules!
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aurelius
Forgot to say, I assume that the phragmocone colour is original. Although it may not reflect the actual colours that it had in life, since colours don't usually remain the same during fossilisation, I think it's safe to assume that they were banded. I have examples of lytoceras ammonites from Seatown which have a similar banded pattern on their shell.
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deltapodus
Belemnite phragmocone? I've seen and collected those before - from Whitby - crushed and uncrushed. This piece is much larger than any of those (it's about 5cm each way), and definitely larger than any of the belemnites I saw in the belemnite marls. What makes me think it's ammonite shell is the whole ammonite you can see in the same pic also shows the same banding, but needs cleaning to show up clearly. That nautilus of yours - any colour?

Finally found bone[biggrin]
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Whilst I'm happy to be proven wrong, I'm pretty certain it's a belemnite phragmocone. I've got several large and virtually identical examples from Seatown. The colors are very distinctive. You do get some very large belemnite guards at Seatown, although I've never found one in close association with one of the large phragmocones.

The nautilus shell was brown in colour, with no evidence of a pattern.


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Julian123

It does look like Ammo to me
Julian

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aurelius
This is what it looks like to me, but the photo is not big enough to be entirely definitive.

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Olenus
Hello Richard, was this trip research for the paper your writing ?

Lee.
The Ace of Spades,,,







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deltapodus
Olenus wrote:
Hello Richard, was this trip research for the paper your writing ?

Lee.


@ Olenus. No, just for fun, although it was research for my companion on the day, who's doing his PhD on fossils in archaeological contexts. The paper I've been writing is complete, peer-reviewed and ready to go, other than the accession numbers. The finds I have from this trip have given me for another paper - it'll need a lot of work before it's ready to go, and might even need access to kit only universities have. 

Aurelius, your find looks to have same preservation mode as mine. Do you have any more similar specimens? As I said above, it's given me an idea. Anyway, a close up of  my find.
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Got to say, having looked at mine in more detail, and yours, I think they're both ammonite shell. 


Finally found bone[biggrin]
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aurelius
Looks identical! I have one or two others, but they're packed away and were never photographed.

I am as certain as I can be that they are belemnite phragmocones. They always resemble flattened cones, and I've never found one that has any hint of coiling.
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deltapodus
If you can, and it's not too much trouble, I'd appreciate seeing photos of the others. As I said above, I got an idea 
Finally found bone[biggrin]
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deltapodus
Thanks in advance - don't rush on my account - there's a lot of info I need to find to see if there's any validity to the idea.
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