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Hi everyone
The first two ammonites were found staithes/ Port Mulgrave area and the other three are from Ravenscar / RHB
Could someone please ID these
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Very nice!
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Great finds, its nice to see something worth looking at for a change, theres been to much "whats this funny shaped rock I found" recently. First one is Eleganticeras.
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That post was very harsh, most of us started out asking questions about funny shaped rocks, that is how people learn.
Hopefully new people will not be put off by your inappropriate remarks.

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I agree Janet.
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Very nice finds!
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1. Eleganticeras
2. Pseudolioceras
3. & 4. Arnioceras + others
5. Don't know
6. & 7. Grammoceras
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Scrumpy

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Thanks for looking everyone and also thanks for the IDs. Much appreciated
Cheers Rob
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nomadiclifeguide

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I just think that to take a quick picture, throw it on a forum and ask people for the answers is a very lazy way of finding out that you have a piece of flint. I am very much still learning and find this forum can be an excellent learning resource but i can't help but think that books and individual websearches should be used also. I believe that much more can be learnt that way. Self education rather than just being handed the answers.
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Hi Nomadic Life
I think that flint is difficult to recognise for many people who think of it as the black material in chalk cliffs. Also as we know, it is notorious for producing pseudofossils. So I am not surprised that we get many queries about it. 
Those of us who have used the forum for many years may have noticed that there seem to be less 'interesting' finds on here. I wonder how much this is due to the lack of new material to be found. Over the last 20 years I have personally found fossils to be much less common due to quarry infill, over collecting etc. etc.  

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Many of the old localities I used to collect in are now SSSIs, so no bashing the bedrock or quarry walls (assuming one can get into the quarry at all!) so there's only, at best, the spoil heaps to pick over. And they've been well picked! Outcome - kids can no longer collect and so fewer and fewer develop an interest in geology. Death of the amateur? Perhaps that's what the professionals wanted when they introduced SSSIs? Cynical, moi?
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I think that you both have very valid points. We do still have some fantastic localities in this country, in fact I believe us to be very gifted in this regard when compared to other nations. I suspect that on here we do not get to see peoples best finds also, due to competetion amoungst the most serious collectors. I'm quite sure that it can't just be me that gets fed up with "is this a raptor egg??" type questions. The information is all out there and readily available, its just that people these days are lazy and don't want to look up information for themselves. Maybe due to the failure of the education system in this country.
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I suspect that "we", the old hands, who've been collecting for decades don't realise how much knowledge we've picked up over the years. In addition we probably have a "scientific bent" to start with, which makes things easier whereas those who don't are easily mystified by fossils et al. I remember an acquaintance of mine who, a long time ago, found a very nice specimen of Spondylus spinosa while walking a footpath over a chalk field. She took it to a local museum who identified it for her (those days are probably long gone!) and told her it was approximately 100 million years old. She told me about this and said "they mean a hundred years, don't they". Er no, I tried to explain, they mean what they said. "But nothing can be that old" etc etc. She had a degree in English but the history of the Earth was a closed book to her.

So when people find a stone that looks like a dinosaur's head, or whatever, many of them have little background with which to make an informed decision as to what they've found. And Google is not a lot of use if you've no idea what keywords you need to feed in. I've tried Google's image identification in the past to see what it can come up with - it's never been much use! One day, no doubt, it will, but for now asking the "experts" on a forum like this is probably people's best chance of learning what they've found. We must just grin and bear it 😉 And hope or two get hooked!

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I totally agree.

Even when you know what to search for there is so little information on line.

You have to learn that fossils are mainly found in sedimentary deposits and even what that means. I do not have a scientific background, I have picked stuff up as I went along.

It is so not on to look down on people, in the past my finds have been dismissed as something discarded from someone's fish supper, the museum confirmed an articulated fish spine. Yes those dismissive people were on this forum, no wonder people go elsewhere or stop altogether. Now I have two new species to my name. I still make time for new people and ensure I am respectful and kind when replying.

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Once again, I think there are very valid points being made here. I am also totally self educated when it comes to Paleantological and geological maters. I chose relevent subjects in collage but found the quality of information and teaching to be almost useless. Education has been dumbed down to the point where qualifications do not really meaning anything anymore, and even science based subjects leave students woefully lacking in knowledge. I have a relative with a degre in geology and am often staggered by there total lack of basic knowledge on the subject.
You are correct Brittlestar, I should be more patiant with some of the posts, I just find it rather frustrating when that is the only type there is.

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I also half wonder whether it’s the design of the forum that’s to blame. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a great resource and clearly a lot of effort has gone into developing it, but personally I don’t thinks it very user friendly, particularly uploading photos. I’d certainly upload loads more pics of recent finds if it was easier to do. There seems to be a Facebook page linked to the site, but you can’t upload pics or start a chat there. I think footfall would be a lot higher if you could! As for the “is this a dinosaur tooth” type threads - I can see both sides. Yes we all started somewhere, but the internet is so good now that just a quick
Google image search for say ‘UK dinosaur tooth, Bedfordshire’ etc would reveal the true nature of the object. Anyway, just my opinion.
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I am yes, but I wasn’t criticising people posting, just saying that you can find out an awful lot via the internet these days.
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I do not think there are any more 'whats this funny shaped rock' posts on here than there ever was, the difference is that experienced fossil people seem to have deserted this forum in droves and rarely post topics anymore, so sometimes it seems the above type posts are pretty much all that is left. I offer no explanation as to why that is.
It is still a useful resource for those looking for ID's for finds though, whether funny shaped rocks or fossils, there's always someone on here that will be able to assist.
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Rolo  - quite agree with what you say about experienced people deserting this forum. There seems to be about 6 people who regularly answer queries. . Perhaps the ones who do not post are not collecting as much / there is less to collect as I suggested in an earlier post.
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I suspect a lot of the experienced people drifted away when the forum switched to "fully moderated" mode - you posted a query, waited (up to) a day for it to become visible, somebody responded but nobody could see the reply for (up to) a day, OP responded to that but nobody could see the reply for (up to) a day and so on. I understand the reasons for the change - our hosts were paying to advertise their rivals' wares, but it made things next to impossible.

I certainly stopped coming, until one day, for no reason I can remember, I checked the forum and found it was running "normally" once more. Perhaps if the old hands ever happen to check back then, maybe, one by one they'll start posting again. I certainly hope so - they brought a wealth of knowledge to us and a heck of a lot of good fossils!

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Agree with MFM , the first exodus came when the forum radically changed its format for the worse (later reverting back to something like the original after many complaints from the members). The dinosaur brain debacle and ensuing abuse presumably led to the fully unworkable moderated version and was probably the final straw for a lot of people (by the way it was often 'days' not 'up to a day'). Hopefully some of them will drift back once they realise the forum has reverted to some kind of workable normality. I hope to post some finds from Aust next year once they scrap the bridge toll.......believe it when I see it.

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Seems my comments started something. Some excellent points being made here I think. I am unaware of the abuse problems the forum encountered, I have been travelling a lot this year, but was very aware when it changed for the worse and no longer used it for myself. Seems there must be a problem with loading pics as so many posts lack them, not an issue i have struggled with myself but maybe it needs looking at.
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Dirty Pete, waiting with baited breath for your Aust finds! I haven't been for quite a while.
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Hope I don't disappoint Pete, always found your Aust threads/discussions inspiring and you were always good at IDing the more obscure stuff.

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Nice to see some of the old names back here 😺 Looks like we’re slowly making our way back!
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